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SirHenry 17 Dec 2019 21:07 pm said..

Boris's deal is agreed by the EU - all it needs to do is pass UK Parliament and it will be ratified. The deal is for a year transition with option for UK to request a transition if they want to. Of course a 2 -3 year transition helps all parties to come to a comprehensive trade agreement, I am sure the EU would prefer that.

The EU will agree to Trade Terms that don't undermine the single market. It's got nothing to do with time it's to do with how close or how far the UK wants to align to standards.

UK business want a close trade deal with Europe and vice versa. Boris doesn't want to delay further than a year. Unless he want's to go against British business, he'll be doing a close trade deal with the EU within that year where regulations are already closely aligned.

If he wants to do a deal in a year that crosses EU red line of Single Market integrity, then it's WTO rules and he goes against British business. The EU won't like it but as Northern Ireland is now under EU customs rules, the customs union is ring fenced and single market is protected.

The only reason I can see he needs to pass legislation is to remind himself to honour his own words.
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lucifer 17 Dec 2019 23:44 pm said..

It's not often you manage to get the word 'honour' and Johnson in the same sentence! Why do people think he will act in the interests of the business community? His comment previously was "fxxk business", has he changed his mind?
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SirHenry 18 Dec 2019 08:18 am said..

Who knows who he will screw over, could be business, could be the ERG, could be the NHS, could be manufacturing, agriculture or fishing. He will try to play EU against the US. I suspect limited deals with both claimed as a victory and brushing off any collateral damage.
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Gloucester Mute 18 Dec 2019 09:54 am said..

Sir Henry - Is the only purpose of this new thread to give you (and a few fellow bad-losers) an vehicle to constantly deride, criticise and bad-mouth BoJo and the Conservative Party ??

Any thoughts on the verbal lashing that Leader Corbyn is receiving from so many in his own party ?? Valid or unfair and totally motivated by the "biased media and billionaires" ?? ;)
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JamesK 18 Dec 2019 11:19 am said..

In contrast, Mute you seem to think that the only purpose of the thread is to criticize Mr Corbyn. In fact to repeat the same criticisms time after time after time.

I happen to agree with most of those criticisms (I can't recall a more ineffectual leader of the opposition) but your repetition is really boring. It is also rather irrelevant since Mr Corbyn lost the election and is never going to hold power.

In contrast, Mr Johnson does hold power. I know you don't like him facing any scrutiny but I'm afraid it is rather important that the Prime Minister is held to account and held to a rather higher standard than not being quite as bad as Mr Corbyn. Any thread on UK politics is going to feature Mr Johnson quite a lot.

In time a new leader of the opposition will emerge and I'm sure that whenever anyone offers an assessment about Mr Johnson you'll duck away from addressing the point but instead state that this new leader would have done a worse job. You're completely free to do this if you like but it will soon become as dull and repetitive as your current Corbyn posts.
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SirHenry 18 Dec 2019 11:35 am said..

+1 Corbyn is irrelevant other than as a historical contributing cause. I didn't vote for him and feel no reason to comment on him. He wasn't even a realistic option in your constituency anyway.

As I have previously stated had you ((Mute) cared to have read) that what is done is done. If you are happy to live in a state where the government has no scrutiny, or aren't prepared to put our money where your mouth is and predict outcomes then feel free to stay off this thread.

This thread will soon fail the request in the title unless we all try to stay classy ;)
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Gloucester Mute 18 Dec 2019 15:05 pm said..

?????

All for PM, Ministers and Government to be scrutinised and held to account.

Let's wait for an event/reason before repeating your predictable criticism.

Main thing, IMHO, is you accept the result of a democratic People's Vote and move on. As should Jezza/Macdonnel/Momentum ASAP. If they don't stop interfering the traditional Labour Party will be damaged beyond redemption and the UK will have to wait for a new New Labour/Tony Blair to capture centrist Socialist minds.
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Castle Grim Reaper 18 Dec 2019 15:27 pm said..

Just to confuse things, I am a business owner and agreed with the Boris 'f**k business' comment. He was faced with the CBI constantly scaremongering about Brexit and big business dictating everything to him, for example the figures stated by Airbus that leaving would cost them were positively ludicrous.

Most people work thirty six hours a week, you are in the EU 24/7, it wasn't only about business.
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Lewi7 18 Dec 2019 16:01 pm said..

There are a number of large (ish) organisation that receive funds from the EU, as a result they have to promote the EU, otherwise their funding stops, the CBI being one of them. The BBC' media charity another, they received £3M from the EU last year.

Worth remembering that as the UK pays in more than it gets back, any EU spend in the UK, which is discretionary, is simply UK tax payers money coming back.

Mute - everyone is entitled to their opinion, instead of belittling someone's views, why not try constructive debate.

SirHenry - The EU want as long a transition period as they can get, partly because they would continue to receive UK payments and they would hope that something happened, either by design or accident, to change the decision to leave.
It's not in the UK's interests to stay in the EU now any longer than necessary. With a hard deadline it can be done.

As for all business wanting to be as closely aligned to the EU as pos isn't true. An example being one large well known retailer wants a No Deal / WTO outcome. They forecast that with a reduction on tariffs, given where they procure their materials & clothes, they would be better off per annum by £25M, comparing being in the EU today, to a No Deal.
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SirHenry 18 Dec 2019 16:16 pm said..

Lewi, fair enough on the point that the EU do get extra funds for a longer transition process, but I still feel the overriding concern is the practicality of achieving an acceptable outcome within a year. Time will tell.

Also agree some businesses will benefit and others will be hit. The perceived wisdom is more of the latter than the former in the short to medium term at least. Long term is difficult to predict.

Mute - No one on here has not accepted the vote, just some pointing out that our system could be a little more democratic than it is. e.g. If you were an ardent Green supporter in Cotswold constituency the only way you can get your vote to count is to move.
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